Whites Preferred (White Guys Have Their Say)
Recently while surfing the web, I came across this letter on a gay discussion forum. The author wrote about posting a companion ad, and about how irritated he got when visible minorities responded. He states unapologetically that he prefers his own race, white guys only. And no other race would do. The author also wrote how offended he got when callers would call him a racist. He feels that he is not a racist, but that he just has a certain preference. I was intrigued that someone would be so bold as to post a statement like that, which is not very PC.
So I decided to post his letter on my favorite discussion forum Datalounge, to see what the response would be. I was really surprised by the response. Over 100 white guys across America responded to the thread, defending their right to have a racial preference over who they want to date and sleep with. This discussion went non-stop through a 24 hour period. Finally the Datalounge webmaster pulled the thread and actually banned me (the original poster) from the forum. Seems the topic was too hot for them. Sure, on Datalounge it is okay to make fat jokes, lesbian jokes, acne jokes, and say horrible and terrible things about celebrities. But to have a serious discussion about race relations in the gay community, that is a no-no. At least to the folks at Datalounge. Fortunately I saved the entire thread, just in the nick of time. Below and on another page, you will read white guys talk openly and honestly on how they feel about dating someone outside their race. And the consensus is that most white guys don't. This seems to be a perfect companion piece to my other essays on racism in the gay community. That is why I'm re-printing it here on my website. Just a note, OP stands for Original Poster, who is David Cooper. On the original discussion forum, he himself printed his name and town. So obviously he doesn't mind people knowing his views. That is why I'm re-printing his name and town on my website. Whites Preferred By: David Cooper@03: 30PM Periodically, I run a companion ad in the hopes of meeting another gay male. I can deal with the late calls, crank calls, married guys, the casually curious and the drunks. However, when I explain to callers that I wish to meet another white male, a few callers have resorted to calling me a racist. If not sleeping with non-whites makes me a racist; doesn't being gay make me a sexist? My putting an ad in the paper doesn't entitle a stranger to call me a bigot and a bad Canadian. All I owe a stranger is honesty and common courtesy. David Cooper, Toronto, Ontario Canada RESPONSES 3:55PM No, in fact gay men are not usually sexist, as they have no emotional attachment to being superior to women. The question is why, if you're attracted to male sexuality, you would distinguish between races. It is self-limiting and obviously inefficient since there is more variation in looks within the races than between them. If you feel you are not a racist, then probably you are just unfamiliar with the true varieties of gay delights available with other races. 04:06PM While (for now, at least) you are entitled to your opinions and personal tastes, OP, you sirs are an idiot. 04:26PM OP, your behavior isn't necessarily racist, but it *is* prejudiced. 04:40PM OP.'you have a right to your desire to date other white males only. Life is too short to play games w/ yourself and others. When we're honest, most people (even if they don't like what they hear) will usually respect it in the end. I'm white and used to feel the "same" way. However, I had a co-worker I was attracted to who was/is a classy black gentleman. After two months he asked me out and I said yes. He treated/treats me better than ANY white man ever has. He ended up w/ a promotion in another dept., but we've been dating ever since. He has given me so much happiness in my heart. If you are not attracted to black men, it does not IMHO make you a bigot. But you could one day find yourself in a situation meeting a "person" who is unique and SPECIAL and not care what even your FRIENDS OR FAMILY think. Live your life and good luck in finding the man for you. 04:55PM OP, I understand man, I am not a racist or prejudiced, but I am not attracted to African American or Hispanic men, not Denzel even, not anyone, I don't know why, I am just not. But of course I'd be open to friendship with someone of any race. 05:01PM Sexual attraction is not the same thing as being comfortable with people who are different from you. I'm white but I have never been attracted to red haired men at all. Don't worry about it. 05:02PM Would you say "No Redheads" in a personals ad 5:01? 05:21PM He didn't specify a race 5:02 and no, I wouldn't have said "no redheads" in the ad. But when faced with a redhead, it would have taken much more to get my attention. 05:42PM The OP raised a very important question and I for one agree with him. The guy who I want in my bed is my business and it doesn't concern the NAACP or any other so called liberal corporation, and they are big businesses folks, the NAACP is one of the wealthiest non so called for profit in the USA and everyone one of those clowns drive a heavy foreign automobile, not a foreign car folks, but a "automobile". Typical darkie behavior if you ask me. 05:53PM Let's see ... we go from equal rights to Compulsory Miscegenation! Can't you see how stupid some of you sound? I've just never been attracted. It's a matter of unconscious attraction ... animal attraction as opposed to Politically Correct cerebral policy implementation. As a matter of fact, I'm generally attracted to guys roughly like myself, average size, slender, blue/black. Does that mean brown eyes are a deal-breaker, of course not. Blonds, per se, don't do anything for me* - I've never been obsessed with one. Large or heavy guys don't do it for me. I like some lean defined musculature. Overdone weightlifter-looking guys are a major turn-off. Some guys may think I'm too thin for their taste - fine, no problem. I put it to having a good, healthy self/body image - not looking for some external Mutt & Jeff or Jack Spratt & Wife counter-balance. And I'm certainly not suppressing my natural libido to force it into the service of someone else's lunatic Politically Correct agenda - for fear I'll be called "racist" ~~~oooh~~~. * - Except Brad Pitt, but then I'll never have a shot at him so we can forget the exception. 05:57PM Who the hell mentioned NAACP? Stop jumping on threads to further your own political agenda. Better yet, crawl back in your (ass)hole. 10:57PM OP racist? Please!! If you're not attracted to a certain race, you're not attracted to a certain race. Same thing goes for drugs, weight, and personal hygiene, a myriad of things. Grow up. 11:19PM All you "it's none of their business" people are missing the point. Nobody has advocated compulsory miscegenation. Race, however, is an inappropriate category for defining attractiveness, just as "sexual orientation" is an inappropriate category for deciding whom you should rent to or hire, that is to say it is irrelevant. There is an ideological shrillness to the idea, which is clearly about prejudice. I wonder how many of those who say they don't like Hispanic men would throw Ricky Martin out of bed. Probably none. It's time we stopped playing knee-jerk reactionary gentlemen, and started dealing with the world as it is. Minorities are not going away, their work and life improves your world, and you will be seeing more in the future than you have in the past. It's time to get our heads out of nineteenth century books and deal with the place where molecules collide, that is to say, the real world. 11:29PM 11:19PM, WTF does your long-winded PC fart-blather have to do with someone not being sexually attracted to somebody else? There seem to be very, very few molecules colliding in your empty skull. 11:34PM YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! 11:34PM PERIOD!!!! 11:43PM 11:34 PM is right. 12:13AM No, 11:34PM is not right. 11:19 is not right either. I'm Hispanic and I'm not attracted to Blacks, Asians or Anglos. They just don't do it for me. I'm attracted to other Hispanics, Greeks, Italians, Native North Americans (very hot). 12:25AM He is no more of a racist then you are 11:34 PM. I see the men that you pant after and post about on this board. Then take a look at the one that you live with... what color are they? You seem to have a "preference" too, not unlike the OP. hypocritical bitch. 12:27AM Sorry 11:34 PM, you're wrong. Physical and sexual attraction is not racial or racist. Not being able to work with, be friends with or have anything to do with other people can be racist but not wanting them sexually isn't racist. I know I won't change your mind and I'm not trying to. Just felt like putting my two cents in here. Now invite me to dinner and we'll be friends. 12:32AM Yeah 12:13, I really believe you would toss Tiger Woods and Brad Pitt out of bed. Get a grip on it. There are worse things in life than being politically correct, such as being fake. 12:35AM ... or like being honest. From reading this thread it is one of the worst things in life to be apparently. 12:37AM Anyone who doesn't prefer whites is being willfully difficult. The Greeks, Italians, Hispanics and Indians that make the cut in America are predominantly "white featured" ones. I suppose you could learn to have a minority preference if you're into imported or specialty porn and National Geographic documentaries-for nowhere else can they be seen. 12:49AM Some of you seem to have a problem differentiating between race and ethnicity. 12:49AM 12:13 here. Greeks as in living in Greece, Italians as in living in Italy. I prefer a "Mediterranean" look as opposed to pale skin, light hair, blue eyes. Their are some Spanish and Italians who don't appeal to me. And no, I wouldn't throw Pitt or Woods out of bed because they'd never be there in the first place. Not attracted to their looks or personalities. 12:52AM Jews have a Mediterranean look. What the hell do you have against the Jews, 12:49? 12:56AM Aren't The Greeks, Italians, and Hispanics "white" or Caucasian? Assuming Hispanics are European Spanish. Aren't most Mexicans (and thus Mexican-Americans) mixes of Central American Indians and Negroes with some of the lower class Spaniards from way back into the 16th century? From my anthropology readings, the ruling Spaniards went to considerable lengths to protect the purity of their European lines, IIRC. 01:01AM " ... differentiating between race and ethnicity. " Elucidate, s'il vous plait. 01:04AM " What the hell do you have against the Jews " Is this a rhetorical question? 01:09AM Race and ethnicity are bogus categories. Attractiveness has to do with proportions and health, and nothing to do with either race or ethnicity. 01:17AM Ummm... hate to break it to you 12:13/12:49 but Native Americans are Asian. There is that little crossing the Bearing Straight thing a while back ago when there was a lot of ice around. 01:27AM Do people get the same type of calls when they run "no fats, not fems" type ads? If not some of you chunkies and fembots have got some phone calls to make... 01:34AM I personally couldn't give two shits who you find or don't find attractive. Don't like blacks or Asians? Hey, more for me. Period. What bothers me are these gays of color who are begging white boys to love them and ignore the high-quality men that are in their own races. Stop whining about how Whitey won't fuck you and recognize what's right under your nose. 01:36AM "Race, however, is an inappropriate category for defining attractiveness," When it comes to sexual attraction or dating appeal, race is no more inappropriate than hair color, body size, hairstyle, clothing style, or anything else that attracts one person to another. 01:47AM OP has the right to pick his sexual partner. He can discriminate on the basis of sex, height, weight, race or even zodiac sign if he wishes. 02:00AM I don't think you're a racist Op. But I don't think you should limit yourself. There are wonderfully sexy people in every race. 02:05AM And in many sizes, too. 02:12AM " There are wonderfully sexy people in every race. " This reminds us all that opinions are like assholes. 02:19AM Oh now 2:05, we have to draw the line somewhere don't we??? Make him any race you want but if he's 10% or more overweight according to the charts, I don't care how winning his personality is, I probably won't be attracted to him at first blush. That's not to say I can't be won over but I wouldn't recognize it right away like I would with someone who's "my type". 02:22AM "White preferred." Let's not also forget, "Age twenties preferred." And let's not forget, "lean/muscular preferred" And let's not forget, "no one under 5'10" please" And let's not forget, "no fatties please" And the most important one, "handsome and sexy preferred." When you lay them all out, 99% of you are lucky to get laid once a year. 02:23AM The sad part of all this is that the OP is in CANADA and yet he still has to make clear he only wants whites -- only a generation ago a Canadian wouldn't have had to worry about non-white replies. But that's what happens when you import 3rd world populations. 02:26AM No. The sad part of this is that so many people have such a narrow conception of male beauty. I do think this is more characteristic of older trolls than younger people though. This shit is going the way of hula hoops and poodle skirts. 02:29AM Here's to a culturally clueless future! 02:30AM "I do think this is more characteristic of older trolls than younger people though. This shit is going the way of hula hoops and poodle skirts." Not according to this survey (Link No Longer Available) 02:38 AM The data shows some very interesting things. Roughly 2/3rds of both Blacks and Whites prefer their own race and about 1/3 have no preference. About 20% of both prefer Asians and 50% Latinos. (All these add up to more than 100% because most seem to have indicated multiple choices). Of Whites, 14% expressed preference for Blacks. The STAND-OUT number is 40% of Blacks preferring Whites. Rounded off in the rough numbers above is the fact Blacks prefer all other categories more than Whites - except Blacks! Blacks prefer Blacks ~10% less than Whites prefer Whites! The real question aroused here is WHY DON'T BLACKS LIKE BLACKS? 02:44AM Hey, I also read that survey, which is actually a study. It is a content analysis of personal ads. The ads were not coded for age groups, so the study has no bearing on the claim 2:38 tried to refute. 02:46AM By the way, with respect to the study of the personal ads, I found it interesting that Blacks prefer Latinos over whites in all but one of the cities. So much for the claim that everyone likes whites best. 02:50AM They go for what they think they can get. 03:06AM I really believe you would toss Tiger Woods and Brad Pitt out of bed. Since when is Tiger Woods some fucking sexual icon, a lot of people think he's butt ugly, get a clue. And what are we going to say when Brad Pitt turns 60. Will we be accused of ageism too? You can't legislate or dictate sexual attractions, mature people recognize this and follow their attractions accordingly. You like what you like. Maybe some of you could grow up and do the same. 03:36AM I have yet to meet a 100% Asian guy who was even remotely sexually attractive to me. Most Asian women are sexier to me than Asian men, and I'm 100% gay. I don't know why, but there is just ZERO attraction. So if you find Asian men attractive, go for it, you won't get ANY competition from me. 03:42AM That's okay, 3:36AM; that leaves more for the rest of us. 04:01AM It's human nature to be attracted to people somewhat like you. Why act like it's some horrible thing? It's not like we have conscious control over our attractions. If we did, we could just "turn straight", right? I can no more be attracted to an Asian man than I can to a woman. It's really just that simple. 04:15AM 11:34PM you're a moron. I mean, if Sandra Bernhard were a MAN, wouldn't I be attracted to him? Aren't I being CLOSED MINDED?? Again, you're being a fucking idiot. You've displayed yourself to be a complete idiot in your last post, totally hyper-reactionary and defensive. I have Asian friends; I have friends of all colors. We're talking about attraction and desire here. Get a fucking clue. The two are not the same. I've been attracted to many black men, and LOTS of Latino and Mediterranean men. You're making gross assumptions. Stop being a dick. 04:37AM I agree with 4:15AM. It's not a conscious decision here; we're talking about what pops wood for some of us. I don't go for blondes or twink type whites either or twink type blacks or anyone younger than myself. I see you as closed minded in not accepting that attraction is not based on racism. And just because I feel no sexual attraction for someone doesn't mean I wouldn't invite him to my party. 04:46AM 11:34PM, we're describing what pops wood for me. Stop being an idiot by trying to read all sorts of nefarious things into every line of the OP. Why is it a fucking crime to have not yet met an Asian that has "turned me on"? I haven't. It's a simple statement of fact. Every other race, yes for the most part (though very few from Pakistan/India for some reason... and hey, they're Caucasian!!). If you start reading "racism" into people's attractions, are you going to read "sexism" into the fact I don't pop wood to any females?!? Continued on the next page, click here.
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